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06/19/10 at 22:52:51
 
I don't know how true this is ... I vaguely remember reading it a few years ago ... I think I have early Dementia - that's why every day is a new day.
 
THE NEXT TIME YOU ARE WASHING YOUR HANDS AND COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE WATER TEMPERATURE ISN'T JUST HOW YOU LIKE IT, THINK ABOUT HOW THINGS USED TO BE. HERE ARE SOME FACTS ABOUT THE 1500S:  
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THEY USED TO USE URINE TO TAN ANIMAL SKINS, SO FAMILIES USED TO ALL PEE IN A POT & THEN ONCE A DAY IT WAS TAKEN & SOLD TO THE TANNERY.......IF YOU HAD TO DO THIS TO SURVIVE YOU WERE "PISS POOR"  
BUT WORSE THAN THAT WERE THE REALLY POOR FOLK WHO COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD TO BUY A POT...........THEY "DIDNT HAVE A POT TO PISS IN" AND WERE THE LOWEST OF THE LOW.  
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MOST PEOPLE GOT MARRIED IN JUNE BECAUSE THEY TOOK THEIR YEARLY BATH IN MAY, AND THEY STILL SMELLED PRETTY GOOD BY JUNE. HOWEVER, SINCE THEY WERE STARTING TO SMELL . .. . BRIDES CARRIED A BOUQUET OF FLOWERS TO HIDE THE BODY ODOR. HENCE THE CUSTOM TODAY OF CARRYING A BOUQUET WHEN GETTING MARRIED.  
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BATHS CONSISTED OF A BIG TUB FILLED WITH HOT WATER. THE MAN OF THE HOUSE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF THE NICE CLEAN WATER, THEN ALL THE OTHER SONS AND MEN, THEN THE WOMEN AND FINALLY THE CHILDREN. LAST OF ALL THE BABIES. BY THEN THE WATER WAS SO DIRTY YOU COULD ACTUALLY LOSE SOMEONE IN IT. HENCE THE SAYING, "DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER!"  
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HOUSES HAD THATCHED ROOFS-THICK STRAW-PILED HIGH, WITH NO WOOD UNDERNEATH.. IT WAS THE ONLY PLACE FOR ANIMALS TO GET WARM, SO ALL THE CATS AND OTHER SMALL ANIMALS (MICE, BUGS) LIVED IN THE ROOF. WHEN IT RAINED IT BECAME SLIPPERY AND SOMETIMES THE ANIMALS WOULD SLIP AND FALL OFF THE ROOF. HENCE THE SAYING "IT'S RAINING CATS AND DOGS."  
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THERE WAS NOTHING TO STOP THINGS FROM FALLING INTO THE HOUSE. THIS POSED A REAL PROBLEM IN THE BEDROOM WHERE BUGS AND OTHER DROPPINGS COULD MESS UP YOUR N ICE CLEAN BED. HENCE, A BED WITH BIG POSTS AND A SHEET HUNG OVER THE TOP AFFORDED SOME PROTECTION. THAT'S HOW CANOPY BEDS CAME INTO EXISTENCE.  
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THE FLOOR WAS DIRT. ONLY THE WEALTHY HAD SOMETHING OTHER THAN DIRT. HENCE THE SAYING, "DIRT POOR." THE WEALTHY HAD SLATE FLOORS THAT WOULD GET SLIPPERY IN THE WINTER WHEN WET, SO THEY SPREAD THRESH (STRAW) ON FLOOR TO HELP KEEP THEIR FOOTING. AS THE WINTER WORE ON, THEY ADDED MORE THRESH UNTIL, WHEN YOU OPENED THE DOOR, IT WOULD ALL START SLIPPING OUTSIDE. A PIECE OF WOOD WAS PLACED IN THE ENTRANCE-WAY. HENCE: A THRESH HOLD.  
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(GETTING QUITE AN EDUCATION, AREN'T YOU?)  
IN THOSE OLD DAYS, THEY COOKED IN THE KITCHEN WITH A BIG KETTLE THAT ALWAYS HUNG OVER THE FIRE. EVERY DAY THEY LIT THE FIRE AND ADDED THINGS TO THE POT. THEY ATE MOSTLY VEGETABLES AND DID NOT GET MUCH MEAT.. THEY WOULD EAT THE STEW FOR DINNER, LEAVING LEFTOVERS IN THE POT TO GET COLD OVERNIGHT AND THEN START OVER THE NEXT DAY. SOMETIMES STEW HAD FOOD IN IT THAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE. HENCE THE RHYME: PEAS PORRIDGE HOT, PEAS PORRIDGE COLD, PEAS PORRIDGE IN  
THE POT NINE DAYS OLD.  
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SOMETIMES THEY COULD OBTAIN PORK, WHICH MADE THEM FEEL QUITE SPECIAL. WHEN VISITORS CAME OVER, THEY WOULD HANG UP THEIR BACON TO SHOW OFF. IT WAS A SIGN OF WEALTH THAT A MAN COULD, "BRING HOME THE BACON." THEY WOULD CUT OFF A LITTLE TO SHARE WITH GUESTS AND WOULD ALL SIT AROUND AND CHEW THE FAT.  
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THOSE WITH MONEY HAD PLATES MADE OF PEWTER. FOOD WITH HIGH ACID CONTENT CAUSED SOME OF THE LEAD TO LEACH ONTO THE FOOD, CAUSING LEAD POISONING DEATH. THIS HAPPENED MOST OFTEN WITH TOMATOES, SO FOR THE NEXT 400 YEARS OR SO, TOMATOES WERE CONSIDERED POISONOUS.  
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BREAD WAS DIVIDED ACCORDING TO STATUS. WORKERS GOT THE BURNT BOTTOM OF THE LOAF, THE FAMILY GOT THE MIDDLE, AND GUESTS GOT THE TOP, OR THE UPPER CRUST.  
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LEAD CUPS WERE USED TO DRINK ALE OR WHISKY. THE COMBINATION WOULD SOMETIMES KNOCK THE IMBIBERS OUT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. SOMEONE WALKING ALONG THE ROAD WOULD TAKE THEM FOR DEAD AND PREPARE THEM FOR BURIAL. THEY WERE LAID OUT ON THE KITCHEN TABLE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THE FAMILY WOULD GATHER AROUND AND EAT AND DRINK AND WAIT AND SEE IF THEY WOULD WAKE UP. HENCE THE CUSTOM OF HOLDING A WAKE.  
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ENGLAND IS OLD AND SMALL AND THE LOCAL FOLKS STARTED RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO BURY PEOPLE. SO THEY WOULD DIG UP COFFINS AND WOULD TAKE THE BONES TO A BONE-HOUSE, AND REUSE THE GRAVE. WHEN REOPENING THESE COFFINS, 1 OUT OF 25 COFFINS WERE FOUND TO HAVE SCRATCH MARKS ON THE INSIDE AND THEY REALIZED THEY HAD BEEN BURYING PEOPLE ALIVE. SO THEY WOULD TIE A STRING ON THE WRIST OF THE CORPSE, LEAD IT THROUGH THE COFFIN AND UP THROUGH THE GROUND AND TIE IT TO A BELL. SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO SIT OUT IN THE GRAVEYARD ALL NIGHT (THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT.) TO LISTEN FOR THE BELL; THUS, SOMEONE COULD BE, SAVED BY THE BELL OR WAS CONSIDERED A DEAD RINGER...  
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AND THAT'S THE TRUTH...NOW, WHOEVER SAID HISTORY WAS BORING ! ! !
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Reply #1 - 06/20/10 at 15:56:51
 
'das whut ahm talkin bout'   Wink Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #2 - 06/20/10 at 16:51:32
 
Grin Grin Grin Grin
 
I don't care who you are that there is funny S&*#. Smiley
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Reply #3 - 06/20/10 at 18:15:29
 
Simple 'civilization'.  Smiley Wink
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Reply #4 - 06/24/10 at 04:34:55
 
MOST PEOPLE GOT MARRIED IN JUNE BECAUSE THEY TOOK THEIR YEARLY BATH IN MAY, AND ...
 
just think about that...
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Reply #5 - 06/24/10 at 05:27:17
 
now I understand about the fishy thing
 
and euh Rico, being a cowboy...
 
I will visit belgium ( last time was 95) this july august, maybe we can catch up somewhere
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Reply #6 - 06/24/10 at 08:40:07
 
Columbus' discovery was called the New World Odor, somehow it became the New World Order.
It is written that when Pocahantas and her small band were taken to england, used to get in the river for their daily bath and people used to gather and watch them.  Whie people stink.  Even then the river was not clean, but they made due. Smiley Smiley
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Reply #7 - 07/30/10 at 17:37:03
 
Here's some historical truth (with a commercial twist)  Grin
 
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Reply #8 - 07/31/10 at 00:34:08
 
Quote from kinajin on 06/24/10 at 08:40:07:
Columbus' discovery was called the New World Odor, somehow it became the New World Order.
It is written that when Pocahantas and her small band were taken to england, used to get in the river for their daily bath and people used to gather and watch them.  Whie people stink.  Even then the river was not clean, but they made due. Smiley Smiley

 
Did Pocahontas go over seas?  After marrying Smith, he returned to the King alone, or so I have been lead to believe. He carried news good for the King, who forgave his past transgressions. Pocahontas stayed behind and married Smiths friend, had children and continues as a voice between her people and the Settlement. Without her the settlement would not have survived.
 
But this is just my understanding of history........could be another story for all I know.
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Reply #9 - 07/31/10 at 00:53:10
 
History is written in white words, white words cut and hurt more than sooth and heal. When white history talks about NDN affairs the words are used to hurt. Like when a Battle was fought, it was a battle if the Soldiers won, But if the Ndn won than it was a massacure. When Ndn children and women were killed they were killer or victims of the battle. If white children or women died in those same battles they were murdered by savages.
When the colonial people became tired of the Rule of the Kings in their own lands they fled, the came to the New Land and established the same type of government they were running from, They even paid goods and homage back to the King in the land they fled. Until they had their Revolution. Than they are claiming independence. But when the white people came into the plains and tried to force the Ndn people into their form of government and the Ndn people resisted each event was an uprising and Indian uprising.
Only recently have some of the Ndn side of the story made it's was onto the pages of the white books. We need more, but it is not the Ndn way to dwell on the past, but to focus on the future. That future is with the women and the young ones. They will carry foward the blood lines.
I know that this will ire Leksi Kinajin, but some times even a dumb mixed blood has thoughts.
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Reply #10 - 07/31/10 at 03:18:53
 
Two children are born today, at this exact moment.  
 
One child's coming is celebrated by the whole community as a great blessing and gift, his name given to him that has meaning. The other child is welcomed by his immediate family and friends and given a popular name and a birth number.  
 
One child grows with stories passed down to know his place on the earth and how to respect all living things. The other child grows with stories made up in school to know he is superior and respect only those like himself.  
 
One child grows alongside grandparents and elders who show him by example how to live well. The other child grows to admire celebrity role models and wants what they have.  
 
One child humbly joins his community in ceremony. The other child may join a church and learn only he can have a relationship with God.  
 
One child may not hold a well paid job all his life but is not defined by it. The other child learns he is defined by the things he aquires.  
 
One child is respected as an adult by his virtue and honorable way of living. The other child learns respect can be bought and not have to be earned.  
 
One child learns he is a relative of the Earth and tries to live in balance with it. The other child learns the Earth is his playground and he makes the rules.  
 
One child leaves this world and his people will tell his story to remember him. The other child may die alone and forgotten except by his children...or....  
 
The other child may in his lifetime question what he learnt and try to see life through different eyes. He may start to abandon what he learnt and go forward in a different way. He may begin to learn what the other child already has, so that one day by his own example, his children, or grandchildren may learn this too.  
 
Is it where we start from that matters, or where we are heading ?
 
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Reply #11 - 08/02/10 at 11:01:27
 
There is a lot more history that no one knows about.  The history most know is for protection. Wink Smiley
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Reply #12 - 08/02/10 at 16:46:13
 
I think I understand Leksi. For me personally, I can only speak for myself, that's why I never have and will never ask about ceremony here, respecting very much that traditional Lakota have to protect their past to ensure their future. If, one day I meet with someone face to face and they honor me with their trust that would really be something. Until then all non Lakota here or elsewhere should understand the sincerity and dedication you bring to your cause Leksi Kinajin...I know that I do  Smiley
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Reply #13 - 08/02/10 at 18:09:32
 
History was remembered differently. With White / Euro History everything is a date. With Lakota History things are remembered by an event, regardless of the actual date. The importance of the event is what is remembered. Examples might be.  June 25th 1876 (White / Euro), Greasy Grass fight (Lakota)
 
Of course perhaps Kinajin should clarify this more for the forum members. This is just my understanding as passed onto me by much older relatives.
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Reply #14 - 08/02/10 at 19:53:55
 
Lakota don't see it as winners and losers. Smiley
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Reply #15 - 08/02/10 at 20:29:20
 
Quote from kinajin on 08/02/10 at 19:53:55:
Lakota don't see it as winners and losers. Smiley

 
The importance is in the event and in the lesson learned there of.
 
One can watch a Mother Bear with her cubs and learn the value in the bonds of family. One can watch the Buffalo standing on the prairie and see the strength of such a large being who can hide his huge body by simply standing still in the right spot. Observing his surroundings. The Fox as a great hunter who will take his time tracking and pursuing his pray, always looking for the right moment and advantage point.
This was the way lessons were learned, But this too has been lost in favor of the white / Euro ways.
 
Is it important to have a large home, cars and money if you have no one to share it with. Is it important for you to have "Things" while your relatives go without? Is it honorable for you to go to sleep with a full belly knowing that the child down the road has not eaten?
 
Different value for differant people...........who's thinking is right?  Who am I to sit in judgement?
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Reply #16 - 08/02/10 at 20:44:23
 
In the Buffalo days (Thanks Hin) the Lakota people welcomed the whites. We shared our values and skills with them and hopes that they would do the same. White / Euro took these lessons of how to live and survive on the plains and than thought they needed to save the Ndns in return. Save the Ndn and educate him in our ways so that he can be a better human being.
Today the White / Euro class wants to find and follow those same wise old Ndn's that they wanted to change. They want to learn their wisdom, to understand how they became so knowledgeable. They Want to become in touch with Ndn ways. The same ways that they tried to beat out of the young in the white schools, The same language they forbid those children to speak.
Kinajin has said it and recently, it has been told to me in person..........The Lakota have never been defeated, this has always scared the people and the government. They could not and can not stop the people from being the people. Now they want to become part of that.
 
If you can't beat em, join em..........right?
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Reply #17 - 08/03/10 at 00:01:13
 
I listen to what you're saying MC and I have no wish to appear harsh in giving my thoughts to this, so here goes...
 
For me, it's no good using history to divide everything into neat cliches. History shows us that yes the ignorant and weak will follow any cause out of fear of being 'the outsider'...for example, not every German was a nazi sympathiser and worshipped Adolf Hitler's fanaticism, many died protecting and hiding Jewish people. Worse in my mind are the ones that joined Hitler out of fear for their own lives..that's cowardly in my book.  Many Germans hated Hitler..many English hated their past dictators and religious fanatics...when you're dominated as a people all you have is the freedom that lies in your mind and your heart...nobody can take that from you...nobody can take that from the Lakota. I always think in terms of hearts and minds..not color...not religion...not geographical origins....the people are the people and always will be. Nobody will define me by the past history and those who have put a 'one size fits all' cultural label on this small but diverse island and called us 'English Christians'....anyway i'm from indigenous blood...Celtic Cornish and proud of it. like Lakota and all indigenous people we never colonised or dominated others way of life. Nobody defeated the Cornish, not the britons, not the normans and certainly not the romans...we adapted just as Lakota have Wink
 
How about we join forces...all indigenous leaders around the world make a council...from Maori and Aborigini to Celts to Lakota...now that would really scare some people  Grin
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Reply #18 - 08/03/10 at 04:44:28
 
The Celts hear ya!  Smiley
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Reply #19 - 08/03/10 at 17:56:33
 
I've been thinking about a comment made by Eric some time ago. In short it was to the point that we need to worry about the issues of today and not worry about the past (History)
 
I came up with this and I hope that my words will relate correctly my feelings on the subject.
 
History is the past and we live in the today. But it is the history, individual, cultural, ritual, spiritual and community that formed who we are today. By the events both good and bad we learned, we suffered and we formed thoughts about what happened, why it happened and how it effected us. From the forced schools, the formation of reservations, the creation stories, everything that happened to our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers. These things are remembered, passed on in oral tradition and now on pages of some book. Some of these stories are real events, some were stories told to cause one's to reflect and form their own thoughts. But they formed who we became. Just as the actions we are taking today will be told and taught to our children, grandchildren and great grand children.To understand who we are, we must understand what those before us experienced. This is true regardless of Race, religion, color of skin or culture. Without our history (past) there is no today, we would be a blank slate without form or thought. History made us and we must preserve that history and pass it along as it was passed along to us. We owe that to those that will come after us.
How we relate that history to our young people will form what we will become as a people in the generations to come.
 
These are my thoughts, I hope that I have written the words without offense to anyone, Yes that includes you Eric. It continues to cause me to think about the subject and with great interest I seek out my personal history to better understand myself.
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Reply #20 - 08/03/10 at 20:49:25
 
No history, no prophecy, just 'Lehantu" or 'this time at this place'. Wink Smiley
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Reply #21 - 08/03/10 at 21:41:20
 
Quote from Ceye Sni Yo on 08/03/10 at 17:56:33:
I've been thinking about a comment made by Eric some time ago. In short it was to the point that we need to worry about the issues of today and not worry about the past (History)

I came up with this and I hope that my words will relate correctly my feelings on the subject.

History is the past and we live in the today. But it is the history, individual, cultural, ritual, spiritual and community that formed who we are today. By the events both good and bad we learned, we suffered and we formed thoughts about what happened, why it happened and how it effected us. From the forced schools, the formation of reservations, the creation stories, everything that happened to our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers. These things are remembered, passed on in oral tradition and now on pages of some book. Some of these stories are real events, some were stories told to cause one's to reflect and form their own thoughts. But they formed who we became. Just as the actions we are taking today will be told and taught to our children, grandchildren and great grand children.To understand who we are, we must understand what those before us experienced. This is true regardless of Race, religion, color of skin or culture. Without our history (past) there is no today, we would be a blank slate without form or thought. History made us and we must preserve that history and pass it along as it was passed along to us. We owe that to those that will come after us.
How we relate that history to our young people will form what we will become as a people in the generations to come.

These are my thoughts, I hope that I have written the words without offense to anyone, Yes that includes you Eric. It continues to cause me to think about the subject and with great interest I seek out my personal history to better understand myself.

 
This reminds me of something I've been reading lately. I picked up a book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James Loewen. A lot of the book talks about how and why the way "History" is taught in public schools is....how do I put this?......Well, it's incomplete at best, and completely false at it's worst.  It made me think about many things. I was never interested in the past while I was in public school, because it was very boring. Endless lists of dates and names of people who died hundreds of years ago. Also something in my heart told me that these "history classes" were leaving things out.  25 years later, I find a book by a college history professor who says "Yes Matt, there WERE things they weren't telling you. Things that would've upset the people in charge, things that would've made you angry if you knew what had happened, what your ancestors had done to others, but worse yet, they left out things that would've made you think and question, and that's not what schools want young people to do....at least not until you goto college and are paying people to make you think and question." Mr. Loewen says that the history books are not written to teach the young people about the past, they are written only to sell textbooks. That is, they are written to please the people who decide what books the schools will buy. So the stories are bland, one-sided, and told in a way that suggests there is no question about them (and there are many questions), no debate (and many debates are still on-going), and no dissention. Worse yet, new discoveries that shed light on the past are no included in the textbooks so as not to upset the Textbook Adoption Committee members.
 
So in public schools, millions of young people are told stories about the past, that inform the way they think and see the world, that aren't ment to teach them about what happened, but are ment only to be pleasing to those who decide what books to buy. I never knew that Egypt was trading with South America mor than 5,000 years ago. No one ever taught me that in school. The more I read Mr. Loewen's book, the more I think "What else was I never told as a child? What are teachers not telling children now? How will that affect how they see the world and relate to others?"  
 
If the teachers and the textbooks only tell stories about the great accomplishments of White People, that omission suggests that only Whites are important to the student. For a white student, that might make them feel important, but it also might make them think only people like themselves are important. For non-white students they see no stories of people like themselves which might inspire them and give them confidence. Even the term "White People" is a fiction created by how history is taught, according to Mr. Loewen. Before coming to the Americas, the pale-skinned peoples of Europe thought of themselves not as "White"....but as English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Turkish, Hungarian, and so on.  
 
There is so much I was never told growing up, I feel like I'm always having to play Catch-Up as an adult. And it's much harder now as I have bad habits to over-come that were never there when I was a child. I'm learning that many things I was told growing up are incorrect. I'm learning that many of those incorrect things I was told, have been known to be incorrect for 50 years or more by the very people who teach the classes and write the textbooks....and they knowingly witheld that information in order to sell their textbooks and make a profit.
 
I'm really annoyed with my public school history teachers and the people who wrote the textbooks we were forced to read in class.
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Reply #22 - 08/04/10 at 01:54:46
 
Quote from kinajin on 08/03/10 at 20:49:25:
No history, no prophecy, just 'Lehantu" or 'this time at this place'. Wink Smiley

 
This time at this place.... Smiley
 
Sage....good words I feel the same..."One child grows with stories passed down to know his place on the earth and how to respect all living things. The other child grows with stories made up in school to know he is superior and respect only those like himself".  
 
MC...I would like to think as you do, to trust history that's told to us and rely on it. But the more I talk to people here and elsewhere the more I mistrust history.  Joe Marshall says 'there is no truth' ...and I'm starting to understand the meaning in this...the one truth is, as Leksi Kinajin teaches.. we are 'In this time and this place'...but where are we really?..is this an illusion of the truth..everything is perception and we all shape our ideas and beliefs from our perceptions of the past the present and the future even.  
 
This is a great discussion so much to think about thank you  Smiley
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ahhhhh, yes, the feeling of "un-learning"........... quite the sensation huh...  Smiley
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Reply #24 - 08/04/10 at 11:21:07
 
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