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Reply #200 - 02/15/10 at 13:08:43
 
All Lakota are told not to travel through the Salt Lake area because of whats in the lake.  You all should know the story if you're Lakota. Wink Smiley
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Reply #201 - 02/15/10 at 14:11:16
 
Are you alluding to the Body Snatcher?  
 
WBCW?
 
 
I have heard many things about the area.  I have heard that Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and Hump visited the area. The lake is a sea of death.
 
But I think you might have something else in mind...........This poor Iyeska has once again been left out of the circle.
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Reply #202 - 02/15/10 at 14:43:59
 
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Reply #203 - 02/15/10 at 15:20:23
 
See the problem with me is that my brain is not large enough to control two functions at once, like walking and chewing bubble gum, or more to the point thinking and talking.
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Reply #204 - 02/15/10 at 15:34:48
 
Story is about an monster that was chased from Lakota country and thrown into the Salt Lake.  Its still there and gives off bad energy so Lakota are told to stay away from the lake and surrounding areas.  Thats why notheing grows there around the Salt Lake area. Smiley
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Reply #205 - 02/15/10 at 16:15:34
 
So...........I guess I got part of that right.
 
I had heard that a monster lived there that would snatch human bodies. He lived in the lake and was the only thing that was in the lake, because it is a lake of death.
 
How the story was told was a long time ago, I don't remember all of what was told me.
 
What do you know about The three Lakota who traveled there together. Those are three big names. I know you know about the men, duh, but what about the story of why they traveled to the Salt Lake?
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Reply #206 - 02/15/10 at 16:18:37
 
Am not familiar with tehe three Lakota visiting there. Smiley
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Reply #207 - 03/07/10 at 17:12:47
 
Quote from Mato Cikala on 07/09/09 at 15:25:29:
Walking with Grandfather is also very good.

The power of four is a little more an inspirational / motivating tool in my thought

 
 
...The power of four is also in water
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Reply #208 - 03/14/10 at 14:30:39
 

...The Power of Four in Water I mention  
 
Has to do with (but not only)  
 
(so-called) covalent/hydrogen 'bonds'
 
...The Power/Energy in the Water
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Reply #209 - 03/29/10 at 09:11:49
 
How many of us know how to demonstrate Respect? Wink
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Reply #210 - 03/29/10 at 17:43:01
 
Quote from kinajin on 03/29/10 at 09:11:49:
How many of us know how to demonstrate Respect? Wink

 
For lack of a better visual description, I would have to use the old saying "Treat others as you want them to treat you" Surly you do not want to be disrespected so act (demonstrate those same actions) in a like manner. It's a very hard road to walk given all our human weaknesses and faults. But the effort should still be there.
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Reply #211 - 03/30/10 at 08:02:03
 
Everyone wants to be chief or the wise elder. Wink Grin Grin
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Reply #212 - 03/30/10 at 09:12:55
 
Quote from kinajin on 03/30/10 at 08:02:03:
Everyone wants to be chief or the wise elder. Wink Grin Grin

 
Not me Kinajin, I just want to be a student, a sponge. soak up as much as I can learn. I've had much help from some very good people here. Sit in the backgroud, raise the flaps and sneak into the council, listen quitely and ask a few questions later. There are already too many Chiefs and I will never be the WISE elder.
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Reply #213 - 03/30/10 at 09:55:16
 
I'm too busy dealing with arrogance to be wise. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #214 - 03/30/10 at 11:09:34
 
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Reply #215 - 03/30/10 at 11:25:57
 
Not only am I the winner of 8 humility contests, but I'm in the running for the 'arrogance' award too. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #216 - 03/30/10 at 11:39:42
 
Quote from kinajin on 03/30/10 at 09:55:16:
I'm too busy dealing with arrogance to be wise. Grin Grin Grin Grin

 
I try to be helpful and mentor my Grandchildren and pass on to them the lessons that I've learned in a way or examples that they can understand. I tell them stories of my years and things I've learned.  
Sometimes when I think there is hope I even try and help those kids in the neighborhood or ones I contact through work. I give them a little talking and leave them with something positive to think about.
Try and keep them from falling into bad things and / or making some of the mistakes I made as a kid or the mistakes I've seen way too many of our young people make. I won't tell them it's right or wrong, just give them something else to think about and another persons view.  
Sometimes I make a connection sometimes I don't. I'm not a wise man, just a simple man like everyone else makeing their way through life. I don't try to be arragant, I don't know any more than anyone else and much less than some.
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Reply #217 - 03/30/10 at 12:06:35
 
hau, he wašte lo. Lila taŋyaŋ ečaŋnu welo. Smiley
Just being real is what most young find interesting.  Don't be afraid to make mistakes, they are gifts. Smiley
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Reply #218 - 03/30/10 at 12:47:01
 
Life in the camps on the Plains required much discipline on the part of individuals and families. There was no place for troublemakers who disturbed the peace by their behavior and by their disrespect for laws and authority. With families that were troublemakers, we are told, akicita warriors might call out the male head of the tiospaye, and humiliate him, sometimes whipping him from their horses with their quirts. A family that persisted making trouble, or trashing the campsite, would be ostracized to live away from the camp, and sometimes even to be expelled from the camp completely. This would doom that family because other camps would know that they were forced to wander because they were troublemakers, and nobody wanted troublemakers.
 
As with much of our traditional cultures, that discipline has been lost. There is little respect, even for elders. Neighbors’ yards and gardens regularly are trashed. In one village on the Pine Ridge Reservation, gangs are mounted and do their mischief on horseback, causing much damage to property. Gangs and drugs are a growing problem on reservations all across the Northern Plains.
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Reply #219 - 03/30/10 at 13:18:36
 
Gangs, drugs and thugs of all types are a problem everywhere you go Kinajin. Today in the me society the only thing people worry about is themselves. the think "I can do what ever I want to do, I'm a free man and no one can tell me anything" But they demand respect or at least what their preception of what respect is.
Long gone are the days when Mom would or could simply yell at a kid and they would stop their actions and correct themselves. Long gone are the days when a mother and father stood togeather when a child acted out. Long gone are the families that sit togeather at the dinner table. Long gone are the homes where at least one parent is home when the kids are home. Long gone are the parents that put their childrens needs before their own.
It pains me to see these things happen, But I assure you that is exactly what is happen through this big hunk of land.
Children are a by product of todays adults living the fast and free life style, an ill side effect that conflicts with their distorted beliefs of religion and culture. The children are forced to rely on each other with no knowledge base to pull from.
I cry for the children of today, their lives are hard and filled with sorrow and way too much expectations. They are no longer allowed to be children.
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Reply #220 - 03/30/10 at 13:31:46
 
How did you contribute to this situation?  How did I contribute to it?  Maybe i was too busy getting an education trying to be a 'good' indian to the whiteman back in the day.  What could we have done? what can we do now?  I always try to see what role I may have played or didn't play.  I know there are some families that are still strong and even have supper around a table. Smiley
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Reply #221 - 03/30/10 at 13:48:48
 
Of course this is a general statement Kinajin. It's not everyone and there are still those families that stand by moral and cultural values and believe in the family core.
 
For my part as a young husband and father (both at age 17) I was gone from my family way too much, a a member of a special military unit I spent more time traveling around the globe than I ever did at home. Thankfully I have a strong wife who was there for the children (and me) while I was away. When I was at home I was sleeping and getting ready for the next deployment. Thats what lead me to get out of the Army after twelve years and reaching E-6. I just wanted to be at home with my family. I wish I could have spent more time with my children.
Today I make sure that my grandchildren get everything that they need and they know that my wife and I are there for them whenever they need us.  
I am active with youth in my area. Icoach Little League Baseball, Football and Basketball. I am a mentor / Big Brother for the Juvenile Youth Services Center. I have mixed feelings when I see one of the kids I have interacted with in the context of my job. On one hand I feel disappointment and sorrow because of the sicution and on the other some pride when the first thing out of the young adults mouth is "I'm sorry coach, I screwed up."
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Reply #222 - 03/31/10 at 09:07:28
 
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“No good deed goes unpunished.”
Clare Boothe Luce  
 
I was just a little kid, but I remember when my grandpa wrote a book called “The Sun Came Down: The History of the World as My Blackfeet Elders Told It.” I remember looking out the window of our trailer over at my grandpa and grandma’s trailer as my uncle helped him load his and my grandma’s suitcase. I remember my smiling sisters throwing their bags into the trunk of my grandpa’s little Ford Escort—my beautiful little grandma Rose in the passenger seat—and me crying because my playmates/heroes were going to be gone for some time (my grandpa didn’t want to take me because, rumor was, that I was an especially rotten kid).  
 
That book was a big deal, and it seemed like our people were proud of it. It came from the pen/typewriter of a Native man—a Blackfeet man—who wanted to see our stories told forever. The Native man was uneducated. He ran away from boarding school in sixth grade, therefore the grammar was imperfect and sentence structure left much to be desired, admittedly. Still, he was wise in Blackfeet traditional ways and he also understood certain things about human nature. That is, he knew that our Native ways—like all ways—will inevitably change, and that if young Natives are going to acquire the knowledge from our elders, the elders are going to have to employ different means of teaching. In fact, my grandpa wrote that the reason he wrote this book is because:  
 
“All history the Native learns by heart, and must pass it on to the little ones as they grow up…It’s these days that the younger generation of every nationality do not have ears for such things. These young people are just too busy being smarties, radical, militant, with no respect for their elders. They do not want to listen to anyone except themselves…From all of this, our oral prehistory of us Natives is dying away and being forgotten.”
 
 
 
I think that history shows that my grandpa (and many other elders) was right. Now, many tribes preserve their languages by CD-ROMs and DVDs. Native languages are taught on-line. Although he was not a great writer and his plan was not perfect, my grandpa took the initiative to do, in his opinion, the right thing.  
 
And he was punished for it.  
 
Now don’t get me wrong, to this day, thankfully, many people still speak about my grandpa with respect and some even with reverence. But there was a substantial minority of people, a very vocal minority, who made their displeasure known. This vocal minority did not like the fact that my grandpa put our Creation stories and language into print so that all nationalities could see. I remember uncomfortable talks, conversations and whispers that said “sell-out,” “opportunist,” “traitor.”  
 
The criticisms hurt my grandpa deeply. He knew that he wasn’t above reproach. Heck, he expected criticism where he didn’t tell the story as well as he could have, or where he used bad grammar. That was fair game. But to question his intent or motivations seemed unfair; after all, he thought that he was doing this for our people. And frankly, it seemed somewhat cowardly for someone to criticize a person for doing a good thing that they were unwilling to do themselves.  
 
It seemed like he deserved better than that.
 
Now, I am not a little kid anymore but I see that the same very vocal minority wants to punish every good deed in Indian Country. I paid close attention to the Elouise Cobell litigation and settlement and am amazed at the meanness and anger of the comments directed at her. Like my grandpa, she recognized that there was a need; she recognized that the U.S. took advantage of Natives for a long time and was not making any effort to make things right. Therefore, she proactively took steps to fix that situation—to right wrongs and address problems. Seems like a good thing.
 
Still, were her efforts perfect?
 
Not by a long-shot. I’m sure that if one was to ask Ms. Cobell, she would tell you that there were things—legally, administratively, and personally—that she and her team could have done better. She, like my grandpa, is not above reproach, and we should always think critically about our leadership. In fact, I’ll bet that she can probably point to a million mistakes that we’ve missed and don’t see, but she sees because she’s been looking over these documents for many years. My guess is that she’s probably her worst critic about this lawsuit and welcomes legal and administrative criticisms.  
 
Still, it seems somewhat cowardly when people charge Elouise with the same criticisms that my grandpa faced: “sell-out,” “opportunist,” “traitor,” “colluder.” She deserves better than that. For example, suggesting that Miss Cobell colluded with the government is silly and should be insulting to our collective intelligence. In the Cobell litigation, federal officials working on behalf of the government were charged with contempt of court twice for not producing documents that would help paint a clearer picture of the mismanagement. I think—not being an insider on the proceedings myself—that the government utilized every single procedural mechanism not to allow a settlement to happen.
 
But somehow she was working with the government?
 
In my estimation, this Native woman is a hero, a warrior. She is a hero because she was willing to do something that nobody else was willing to do—man or woman, Native or non-Native. She was willing to take initiative and take tiny, frustrating steps to actually solve a problem while most of us were just complaining. She is a warrior because she put her words into action, when most of us were content with just words; I mean, really—if she hasn’t brought this lawsuit, would anybody else have? I doubt it.
 
She’s a warrior.  
 
We need to protect our heroes and encourage our warriors to take bold steps to help our people, like protecting our traditions or bringing lawsuits against the government. And while “protecting our heroes” does not mean that we shouldn’t critique them—they need to be questioned just like anyone else—those criticisms and questions should be “within family”–not in mainstream publications and in front of TV cameras. In short, we must not allow this small and very vocal minority to shoot down our Native warriors publicly. Moreover, while questioning the work and methods of our heroes is fair game, it seems somewhat cowardly to assault our own warriors’ integrity and question their honesty simply because we disagree with their work.  
 
If we do not protect our heroes, at some point the small and very vocal minority is going to create a situation where no Native wants to take initiative to help our people. In that situation, no Native will want to be a warrior because they understand that no good deed goes unpunished and everyone only pays attention to the flaws. Pretty soon, the only do-gooders will be white folks and non-Natives who want to “save” us. At that time, all of Native peoples’ most noble will be in corporations quietly achieving success without the stress and disrespect of constantly pointed fingers. Whether we agree or disagree with our warriors’ battles, in my humble estimation, we need to support our warriors and our heroes, like Elouise Cobell. We need to ensure that that all parties—Natives, non-Natives, and the mainstream media—know that we truly appreciate the efforts of our warriors and, although we might disagree with them, we will not tolerate personal attacks against our warriors.  
 
We need to get away from the Crazy Horse/Sitting Bull template of George Washington and Abe Lincoln.  We need to focus on our relatives and their efforts as native nations.
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Reply #223 - 03/31/10 at 09:08:06
 
Thing About Skins and Other Curios
THINGABOUTSKINS.COM COMING MAY 9, 2010!!
GOOD DEEDS IN INDIAN COUNTRY
 
 
“No good deed goes unpunished.”
Clare Boothe Luce  
 
I was just a little kid, but I remember when my grandpa wrote a book called “The Sun Came Down: The History of the World as My Blackfeet Elders Told It.” I remember looking out the window of our trailer over at my grandpa and grandma’s trailer as my uncle helped him load his and my grandma’s suitcase. I remember my smiling sisters throwing their bags into the trunk of my grandpa’s little Ford Escort—my beautiful little grandma Rose in the passenger seat—and me crying because my playmates/heroes were going to be gone for some time (my grandpa didn’t want to take me because, rumor was, that I was an especially rotten kid).  
 
That book was a big deal, and it seemed like our people were proud of it. It came from the pen/typewriter of a Native man—a Blackfeet man—who wanted to see our stories told forever. The Native man was uneducated. He ran away from boarding school in sixth grade, therefore the grammar was imperfect and sentence structure left much to be desired, admittedly. Still, he was wise in Blackfeet traditional ways and he also understood certain things about human nature. That is, he knew that our Native ways—like all ways—will inevitably change, and that if young Natives are going to acquire the knowledge from our elders, the elders are going to have to employ different means of teaching. In fact, my grandpa wrote that the reason he wrote this book is because:  
 
“All history the Native learns by heart, and must pass it on to the little ones as they grow up…It’s these days that the younger generation of every nationality do not have ears for such things. These young people are just too busy being smarties, radical, militant, with no respect for their elders. They do not want to listen to anyone except themselves…From all of this, our oral prehistory of us Natives is dying away and being forgotten.”
 
 
 
I think that history shows that my grandpa (and many other elders) was right. Now, many tribes preserve their languages by CD-ROMs and DVDs. Native languages are taught on-line. Although he was not a great writer and his plan was not perfect, my grandpa took the initiative to do, in his opinion, the right thing.  
 
And he was punished for it.  
 
Now don’t get me wrong, to this day, thankfully, many people still speak about my grandpa with respect and some even with reverence. But there was a substantial minority of people, a very vocal minority, who made their displeasure known. This vocal minority did not like the fact that my grandpa put our Creation stories and language into print so that all nationalities could see. I remember uncomfortable talks, conversations and whispers that said “sell-out,” “opportunist,” “traitor.”  
 
The criticisms hurt my grandpa deeply. He knew that he wasn’t above reproach. Heck, he expected criticism where he didn’t tell the story as well as he could have, or where he used bad grammar. That was fair game. But to question his intent or motivations seemed unfair; after all, he thought that he was doing this for our people. And frankly, it seemed somewhat cowardly for someone to criticize a person for doing a good thing that they were unwilling to do themselves.  
 
It seemed like he deserved better than that.
 
Now, I am not a little kid anymore but I see that the same very vocal minority wants to punish every good deed in Indian Country. I paid close attention to the Elouise Cobell litigation and settlement and am amazed at the meanness and anger of the comments directed at her. Like my grandpa, she recognized that there was a need; she recognized that the U.S. took advantage of Natives for a long time and was not making any effort to make things right. Therefore, she proactively took steps to fix that situation—to right wrongs and address problems. Seems like a good thing.
 
Still, were her efforts perfect?
 
Not by a long-shot. I’m sure that if one was to ask Ms. Cobell, she would tell you that there were things—legally, administratively, and personally—that she and her team could have done better. She, like my grandpa, is not above reproach, and we should always think critically about our leadership. In fact, I’ll bet that she can probably point to a million mistakes that we’ve missed and don’t see, but she sees because she’s been looking over these documents for many years. My guess is that she’s probably her worst critic about this lawsuit and welcomes legal and administrative criticisms.  
 
Still, it seems somewhat cowardly when people charge Elouise with the same criticisms that my grandpa faced: “sell-out,” “opportunist,” “traitor,” “colluder.” She deserves better than that. For example, suggesting that Miss Cobell colluded with the government is silly and should be insulting to our collective intelligence. In the Cobell litigation, federal officials working on behalf of the government were charged with contempt of court twice for not producing documents that would help paint a clearer picture of the mismanagement. I think—not being an insider on the proceedings myself—that the government utilized every single procedural mechanism not to allow a settlement to happen.
 
But somehow she was working with the government?
 
In my estimation, this Native woman is a hero, a warrior. She is a hero because she was willing to do something that nobody else was willing to do—man or woman, Native or non-Native. She was willing to take initiative and take tiny, frustrating steps to actually solve a problem while most of us were just complaining. She is a warrior because she put her words into action, when most of us were content with just words; I mean, really—if she hasn’t brought this lawsuit, would anybody else have? I doubt it.
 
She’s a warrior.  
 
We need to protect our heroes and encourage our warriors to take bold steps to help our people, like protecting our traditions or bringing lawsuits against the government. And while “protecting our heroes” does not mean that we shouldn’t critique them—they need to be questioned just like anyone else—those criticisms and questions should be “within family”–not in mainstream publications and in front of TV cameras. In short, we must not allow this small and very vocal minority to shoot down our Native warriors publicly. Moreover, while questioning the work and methods of our heroes is fair game, it seems somewhat cowardly to assault our own warriors’ integrity and question their honesty simply because we disagree with their work.  
 
If we do not protect our heroes, at some point the small and very vocal minority is going to create a situation where no Native wants to take initiative to help our people. In that situation, no Native will want to be a warrior because they understand that no good deed goes unpunished and everyone only pays attention to the flaws. Pretty soon, the only do-gooders will be white folks and non-Natives who want to “save” us. At that time, all of Native peoples’ most noble will be in corporations quietly achieving success without the stress and disrespect of constantly pointed fingers. Whether we agree or disagree with our warriors’ battles, in my humble estimation, we need to support our warriors and our heroes, like Elouise Cobell. We need to ensure that that all parties—Natives, non-Natives, and the mainstream media—know that we truly appreciate the efforts of our warriors and, although we might disagree with them, we will not tolerate personal attacks against our warriors.  
 
We need to get away from the Crazy Horse/Sitting Bull template of George Washington and Abe Lincoln.  We need to focus on our relatives and their efforts as native nations.
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