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Reply #1675 - 07/18/10 at 00:54:05
 
OK  I can understand that. Smiley
 
I have heard young people use the Lakota word for "good", and when someone asked what they meant they said it meant "It's all good" That I was thinking was an age thing. Wink
 
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Reply #1676 - 07/18/10 at 00:56:18
 
I don't mean to ask you questions that sound like book text Kinajin, and I don't look for book answers from you. I can get those from the books in my study.
From you I get the real deal. Wink
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Reply #1677 - 07/18/10 at 02:23:13
 
I too would rather listen to Kinajin than read a book any day. Thanks for your knowledge and wisdom.
 
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Reply #1678 - 07/20/10 at 08:41:12
 
Synonyms for 'kihelaka' are bliheic'iya, hpayelaka, ... Wink
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Reply #1679 - 07/27/10 at 15:10:06
 
Quote from jshearer on 07/18/10 at 02:23:13:
I too would rather listen to Kinajin than read a book any day. Thanks for your knowledge and wisdom.

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Hope you get the opportunity to attend.  Wink
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Reply #1680 - 08/12/10 at 16:08:58
 
Hau Mitakuyepi,
Anpetu Topa! Toniktu ka hwo?  Smiley
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Reply #1681 - 08/13/10 at 13:50:56
 
Lakoliyapi unnispe yacinpi hantas kihelaka po! Smiley
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Reply #1682 - 08/13/10 at 18:19:45
 
Hot here today, sitting down by the lake with family is nice. The grand kids swimming or fishing, being kids. And best of all away from the TV, cell phone, IPods and game boys.
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Reply #1683 - 08/13/10 at 22:56:30
 
Wakalapi,
 
I am hoping to attend since I will be living down there. I will be moving the first of October and I wanted my girlfriend to go.
 
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Reply #1684 - 08/16/10 at 12:26:55
 
Le anpetu kin ptanyetu s'elececa yelo.  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #1685 - 08/16/10 at 19:25:45
 
My girlfriend has become my new Lakota teacher, she is not fluent but does remember from her child hood days and I listen to her, thanks Kinajin for telling me to listen. It comes in very handy. She knows more than she thought she did and knows more than I do. I like speaking Lakota with her because it is helping her remember and she lets me know when I make a mistake.  
 
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Reply #1686 - 08/17/10 at 10:04:00
 
The Lakoata taught today is really a sub-division of english.  Especially LLC, they focus on the english thought pattern of our native learners.  Basically, they're teaching speaking english in Lakota.  I think your girlfriend will agree. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #1687 - 08/17/10 at 13:39:48
 
Hau Mitakuyepi,
Anpetu Nunpa!  
 
Just wondering "if" any TD'ers might have knowledge about "The Big Belly Society"?
The society "nige tanka okolakiciye ki supposedly have their own songs and dance. I wonder if this has been forgotten or is it just that i haven't yet had to opportunity to experience it by meeting a wicasa from the big belly society?
 
Also, would "Naca Okolakiciye be the more Lakota way to address?
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Reply #1688 - 08/17/10 at 13:50:11
 
Kinajin,
 
I believe she would, LLC is okay for learning basics, like kindergarten level type stuff, but for learning to speak it properly, we have to learn from the Lakota themselves. Some of us have run into problems especially with the leader and if Lakota spirituality is mentioned, those people are highly criticized but it is okay to talk about christianity. Several of us aren't to thrilled and believe that the LLC should be ran by a Lakota/Dakota person rather than a European. I think Kinajin, you would be perfect. Many of the Lakota men and woman who have joined the site, who were born and raised in the language have left or do not participate. Even worse, those people that join who are Lakota who are trying to learn their language aren't learning it the right way as far as I am concerned because they are getting a wasicu filtered version. It seems like they are trying to modernize the language and some of the same attitudes used for teaching in regular schools is used. In other words, punishiment/embarrassment if something is said that others do not agree with. There is one couple on there, who are a mixed race couple Lakota/White, the wife was threatened with being banished for something she said about one of the members and she had said it off the site. So, I see what you are talking about and I know if this post is seen, I faced being blocked from there as well. Its okay, I have ya'll here, family, and friends to help me. I have always felt that as a wasicu, it is not my right to correct anyone who speaks the language, especially know some of the stuff I learned is either different from the way others may speak it or the mistakes that have been taught as part of the curriculum.
 
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Reply #1689 - 08/17/10 at 14:29:54
 
I know it must be difficult when the LLC talks about 'saving' the language and 'saving' the culture. Saving comes from the Christian belief, that something can be lost. I know that belief has led me down some interesting paths in my own life.  LOL  Teachers not only teach, but also, protect knowledge. Sometimes it's hard to remain silent.   Posted by a friend of mine.
LLC focuses on native 2nd language learners because they are still in their identity phase yet.  LLC said one of the best Lakota teachers was a guy from Cheyenne River rez, yet he is not a fluent speaker. He also used to make fun of the fluent full blood speakers.
It's still teaching Lakota vocabulary, not speaking. Wink Smiley Wink
I see it as Lakota as a sub-division of english.  Students may learn the Lakota words but it'll be in the english mind-set-left to right. On a scale of 1 to 10, I consider myself as a 6 in fluency and proficiency of Lakota.  Learners must understand that Lakota thought is in reverse of english mechanics.  Students of LLC have a fear of fluent speakers. Wink Smiley
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Reply #1690 - 08/17/10 at 21:28:48
 
That is too bad, they have the most to give because they posses something that is rare and cannot be learned from a book. I enjoy listing to fluent speakers, I haven't heard many, but it is awesome and it is sad that people make fun of and dislike the fluent speakers, its  assinine in my book. It almost sound like jealousy and that is always not good.
 
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Reply #1691 - 08/18/10 at 10:18:27
 
If you can recall, I'm one of the persons who was asked to leave the LLC forum.   Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #1692 - 08/18/10 at 12:22:49
 
Kinajin,
 
I do remember that, they chase off all the people that disaggree with them. I hate to see that.
 
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Reply #1693 - 08/18/10 at 12:30:32
 
and besides, there ae many words and phrases that is not in their dictionary. and Jan Ulrich telling me I had potential to be a good Lakota teacher. Grin Grin Grin  This is going to get back to him, I know it.  Many from the site of LLC lurk here on TD. Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #1694 - 08/18/10 at 13:49:28
 
I told you it'll get back to LLC. I just got a newsletter about LLC's summer activities.  They really keep an eye on this forum.
Many fluent older speakers are being left out.  It was discussed at a summer retreat in the Black Hills.  They are not to include fluent speakers in language development.  One of the attendees spilled the beans.  LOL LOL
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Reply #1695 - 08/18/10 at 17:51:54
 
Quote from kinajin on 08/17/10 at 14:29:54:

 Students may learn the Lakota words but it'll be in the English mind-set-left to right. On a scale of 1 to 10, I consider myself as a 6 in fluency and proficiency of Lakota.  Learners must understand that Lakota thought is in reverse of English mechanics.  

 
I could not agree with you more Kinajin. While I have learned a few words, and I can under some conversation and pick up on key words, By no means can I carry on a conversation, additionally when writting the words that I think I understand, the words take on a differant meaning the way that I structure the sentence. Thank you for pointing this out yet again. We non fluent speakers must learn how to think as Lakota no simply utter the words.
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Reply #1696 - 08/18/10 at 23:39:02
 
Ceye Sni Yo said it, I know that I will never think like a Lakota, but to at least to be able to speak correctly and relate as best as I can is what I am looking for, its a direction, knowing that I will never be completely there. With family members who are Lakota and have small children are learning, I don't want to teach them the wrong way if they want to speak Lakota with me. Kinajin is right, he would be a good teacher and he doesn't need anyone telling him that, especially someone who is not a native speaker. I appreciate everyone here who teaches, i have already learned a lot from here and I enjoy the day to day conversations that take place here as well.
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Reply #1697 - 08/19/10 at 03:50:49
 
Quote from kinajin on 08/18/10 at 13:49:28:
I told you it'll get back to LLC. I just got a newsletter about LLC's summer activities.  They really keep an eye on this forum.
Many fluent older speakers are being left out.  It was discussed at a summer retreat in the Black Hills.  They are not to include fluent speakers in language development.  One of the attendees spilled the beans.  LOL LOL

 
Could this be the Black Hills-summer retreat?
From LLC:

"LLC tried something new this summer: a rental house in the Black Hills was the laboratory for an experimental four-day “clinic” of intensive Lakota language instruction and use in a home setting. Twelve adults participated as students with four instructors. The participants were either non-speakers or speakers wishing to build their fluency to a higher level. “Mostly we were testing out some methods and activities that we can use on a larger scale in immersion camps in the future,” said LLC Executive Director Wil Meya. “Overall, this was a good start for similar retreats or camps for both youth and adults. The participants were all very happy with the experience, a lot of language was used, dozens of new verbs and vocabulary words were learned and used in very practical contexts like eating and cleaning up and going here and there. The teachers learned a lot, too – they were able to anticipate issues down the road, and make improvements.” Instructors were Manny Iron Hawk, Ben Black Bear, Peter Hill, and Jan Ullrich. Although the clinic took place in a home setting, it was not designed as an immersion experience. English was used between participants, but instructors tried to use as much Lakota as possible. The weekend was free to the volunteer participants, and the instructors donated their time. Participants came from Pine Ridge, Standing Rock, and Cheyenne River."
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Reply #1698 - 08/19/10 at 07:40:46
 
Thats the one.  There is lots of reaction to it, not good for LLC. Smiley
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Reply #1699 - 08/19/10 at 12:08:04
 
The following story is from ICT.
 
http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/living/92202099.html
 
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